Luckily, super nerd King Rhabuf from somethingawful did the research for me. For all those interested, here is the history of Sean Gilbert.
Its pretty complicated
He had a good second year with the Rams (then in LA). He had battled some injuries in the early part of his career. The Redskins traded for him to shore up their run defense. The pick the Redskins traded, the 6th overall, was used by the Rams on Lawrence Phillips.
He traded the Panthers pick #5, to the Saints, who gave up all their picks for Ricky Williams. He also got the Saints '00 pick. He then used the Saints first rounder to swap with the Bears, to get Champ Bailey. Their other first rounder was used to get Brad Johnson. The Vikings then used that pick to draft Dante Culepper.
Next year in 2000, the Redskins used their Saints pick (which was gotten with the Panthers pick) to draft LaVar Arrington. They traded up with San Francisco to select Chris Samuels right behind him. On a more confusing note:
Well, there you have it. The Panthers started a convoluted avalanche of shit with that Sean Gilbert trade. Our two picks led directly to Ricky Williams and Shaun Ellis. They led to the Redskins drafting Champ Bailey and LaVar Arrington as well.
Fan fucking tastic. Maybe it Arrington had been a Panthers he wouldn't have blown up his knee or dated Serena Williams.
He had a good second year with the Rams (then in LA). He had battled some injuries in the early part of his career. The Redskins traded for him to shore up their run defense. The pick the Redskins traded, the 6th overall, was used by the Rams on Lawrence Phillips.
Then, Gilbert held out because the Redskins would not pay him what he wanted. They franchised him, and then traded him to the Panthers. This is from a terrible post I found. Eventually, one of those first rounders landed Champ Bailey. Charlie Casserly made some pretty good moves. From what I read, Gilbert was a solid, not great, player on the Panthers. Definitely not worth the two elite picks though.
Monday, the Redskins finalized a trade with St. Louis - the Rams, that is - for a 6-5, 300-plus pound defensive tackle who was a former high No. 1 draft pick. They paid for Sean Gilbert by surrendering their No. 1 draft choice in this month's college draft.
``The difference between the trade today and the one 21 years ago is that Sean Gilbert already has been a Pro Bowl defensive tackle and an alternate Pro Bowl defensive end,'' said Redskins general manager Charley Casserly. ``There's no question everybody recognizes Sean Gilbert as one of the finest defensive tackles in pro football.
``The quickest way we can win is to trade our No. 1 pick for an outstanding football player whose best football is still ahead of him.''
The redskins were not willing to pay him what he wanted so he held out for the 98' season and the skins franchised him. don't forget the skins traded the 6th pick in the 96' draft to the rams for gilbert. Oh yeah and the rams drafted lawrence Billups....now out of the nfl. Anyway does anyone remember us trading him to the panthers for two first rounders for 99' and 00' draft? well thats what Charley got the redskins. He used one two first round draft choices washington had prior to the 1999 draft. In a trade to aquire brad johnson. a very good nfl quarterback at the time. He respectively traded washingtons 1st, 2nd and 4th round draft choices. the 1st rounder was respectively the 17th pick which the vikings drafted daunte culpeper with.(Editor's note: I'm pretty sure King got that from ExtremeSkins because good god whoever wrote that, while well informed, has the grammatical abilities of a six year old.)
Part two anyone remember the Ricky william trade between the redskins and the New orleans saints? well that's how we got champ bailey... You see Then saints coach mike Ditka had to have ricky williams...bong and all. The redskins had the draft position to tke either ricky williams or another player like peter warrick. So casserly cut a deal with the saints. casserly traded the redskins other first rounder the draft the third overall choice to new orleans for all of there draft picks in the 99' draft and there first rounder in 2000. He then cut a deal with the chicago bears so he could move back up in the draft to the 8th spot. He then drafted champ bailey in the first round, aquired John Jansen in the 2nd round, had aquired Brad Johnson prior to the draft. And had amassed the redskins 3 first rounders for the 2000 draft. The result. Snyder fired him before the 99' season. and guess what the redskins traded a first rounder to the 49ers in the 2000 draft just to move up to the 2nd spot to draft Lavar Arrington, and got chris samuels with the 3rd pick.
He traded the Panthers pick #5, to the Saints, who gave up all their picks for Ricky Williams. He also got the Saints '00 pick. He then used the Saints first rounder to swap with the Bears, to get Champ Bailey. Their other first rounder was used to get Brad Johnson. The Vikings then used that pick to draft Dante Culepper.
Next year in 2000, the Redskins used their Saints pick (which was gotten with the Panthers pick) to draft LaVar Arrington. They traded up with San Francisco to select Chris Samuels right behind him. On a more confusing note:
Cost Analysis of Ditka'sOne could argue they led to Champ Bailey and LaVar Arrington too, as the Panthers pick was the one that started the whole mess.
Ricky Williams Trade
by Ron Marthia, March 26, 2003
In 1999 the New Orleans Saints made a much maligned trade with the Washington Redskins that brought an odd couple together--Mike Ditka and Ricky Williams. Washington's then-general manager Charlie Casserly gave up the fifth selection in the first round of the 1999 draft that Mike Ditka used on Ricky Williams for all six of Iron Mike's picks that year (1-12, 3-71, 4-107, 5-144, 6-179 and 7-218) plus 1st and 3rd-round choices in 2000 that became the 2nd and 64th overall.
Because Casserly used just three of the Saints picks to stock the Redskins roster and traded the others away, Ditka's critics never bothered to figure out just what players were ultimately tagged in the slots vacated by New Orleans.
The following is a record of what teams took what prospects with the draft choices New Orleans sacrificed for Ricky Williams:
Round-Player-Year Team Position Player
1-12-1999 Chicago Bears QB Cade McNown
3-71-1999 Chicago Bears WR D'Wayne Bates
4-107-1999 Washington Redskins LB Nate Stimson
5-144-1999 Chicago Bears LB Khari Samuel
6-179-1999 Denver Broncos TE Desmond Clark
7-218-1999 Denver Broncos WR Billy Miller
1-2-2000 Washington Redskins LB La'Var Arrington
3-64-2000 Washington Redskins DB Lloyd Harrison
Just one of these players is still with the team that picked him, Pro Bowl LB Arrington.
McNown, who bounced from the Bears to the Dolphins in 2001 and on to the 49ers in 2002, hasn't thrown a pass since 2000. D'Wayne Bates had a decent season with the Vikings in 2002, but he wasn't productive with the Bears, who lost him to free agency. Nate Stimsom hasn't played for anyone since he was drafted. Khari Samuel started one game with the Bears in 1999 but moved to Detroit in 2001 and then on to Houston in 2002. Desmond Clark had his best year with Denver in 2001 when he caught 56 passes for 566 yards but the Broncos let him go to Miami in 2002 when Shannon Sharpe reupped with Mike Shanahan's troops. After catching 2 passes for 42 yards in 2002, Clark departed early this month for Chicago as an unrestricted free agent. Billy Miller didn't do much of anything as a Bronco and served as a free agent tight end with the Houston expansion team in 2002, where he put up numbers similar to those notched by Clark in 2001. In his 4-year career, Lloyd Harrison has been with three teams, the Skins, Chargers and Dolphins. What city is next on the itinerary of the peripatetic Mr. Harrison?
Mike Ditka put himself in the spotlight when he made his bold and much maligned trade. If he had retained the picks he gave up for Ricky Williams and used them as the teams that acquired them did, he might not have become the object of ridicule that he became. Folks might have complained about two drafts that produced a net of one great linebacker, had they noticed, but they might not have noticed. Just as they have never noticed that the fateful 1-5-99 pick New Orleans traded for originally belonged to the Carolina Panthers genius who in 1998 thought DE-DT Sean Gilbert was worth a pair of future 1st-round draft choices that eventually turned out to be Ricky Williams (1-5-99) and DE Shaun Ellis (1-12-00).
-King Rhabuf
Well, there you have it. The Panthers started a convoluted avalanche of shit with that Sean Gilbert trade. Our two picks led directly to Ricky Williams and Shaun Ellis. They led to the Redskins drafting Champ Bailey and LaVar Arrington as well.
Fan fucking tastic. Maybe it Arrington had been a Panthers he wouldn't have blown up his knee or dated Serena Williams.
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